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in continuation...on ms dhoni...

by straight point

to an excellent debut post by bored guest krish...in which he is able to trigger a very good debate...

one point i came across in the comments section is that dinesh karthik should be used as keeper in odi's and t20 to share the work load of dhoni where he can play purely as batsman...unlike tests where he can't walk into the team as a batsman alone and to compensate on that account must keep...

but guys...as far as i go...the same applies to t20 setup...

can dhoni with his limited stroke play* walk into t20 team purely as a batsman?


*hat tip: here is his T20 international record

6 comments:

Naked Cricket said...

Those in the know, know that MS walks into the team first as captain, then batsman, and lastly as a keeper.

Looks like one bad series just now - the twin T20 losses in NZL were obscured by the time difference and the test wins. Ditto in Oz, where we won the VB series.

But this is a world cup, not much obscures this.

To answer your question, that intl t20 strike rate of barely 100 looks bad even for a lower order batsman. But because of the MSD perception, even a bad IPL didn't do him in. And I think, more than his batting form, the waning of the 'LIKE' factor will hurt him more. And that is one aspect he knows well. Last few games, esp vs SAF, he's got it working again.

straight point said...

that is the point NC...just like he has to keep to be worthy of test place first as player in final x1 than as captain...its much the same for him in t20...if he cant keep there he dont deserve to be in t20 squad...gone are days when you can play just being captain...

and i am not saying just coz of this worldcup debacle...he hasn't score even a fifty till date...which is not surprising given his regressing by match stroke play...

Krish said...

My feeling is that Dhoni unnecessarily put himself under pressure. Think about this. If he comes in at a normal position for a wicketkeeper, he would be coming in at No. 6 or No. 7. He has to pack the rest of the team with good batsmen and hold them responsible for high scores. In a Twenty20 match, if the team is playing well, the chances of No. 6 or No. 7 coming out to bat are slim.

So you don't need Dhoni's batting in Twenty20 unless the entire batting lineup is really bad, in which case you have a much bigger problem than Dhoni's batting.

Yenjie said...

I don't think having Karthik in the team will impact Dhoni's batting, unless his current role of mid-innings anchor-slash-late-innings finisher is changed. If he is removed from that role, who will fill it? Karthik? Not sure that will work, as Dhoni has proved his ability to handle the late innings pressure better than anyone else. Further, it will be unfair to Karthik to ask him to change his role and batting style in that pressure role. Dhoni is clutch. He just needs to rediscover his 4th gear, so he can accelerate with some big hits in the late overs. Right now, he is getting bogged down in the lower gears, grinding out singles and quick twos, without the one six per over minimum that is the requirements in the last 4-5 overs of a T-20 game. I think what he needs is a rest, and some time in the nets. One more thing I have been reading a lot is that bowlers have figured him out. I am not sure why that impression has formed - what exactly is the weakness that has been identified? He's not a predictable batsman anyway, and does not seem to have any obvious vulnerabilities like Raina against short balls, or Yuvraj early against spin, or Sehwag against in-swinging rising ball etc. Can someone comment?

straight point said...

krish...look at otherway around...coming at 6 or 7 is more pressure coz than you have no choice but to hit out...and given his increasingly inability to hit the ball outa boundary...it would have put him under lots of scrutiny than he is facing now...

straight point said...

yenjie...your observation about him getting 'found out' is very good...he has his own method of playing and bowler is never sure of what shot he is gonna play...but what i have noticed that they have started bowing him short of length so that he can't drive or either bowling too full...you need a solid back to get under the bowl and he is clearly struggling with back problems due to the work load he is putting himself to...coz he thinks that he can manage better while keeping...so he is holding on to those shots for emergency...

now its subjective what is the interpretation of 'emergency'...for him its last couple of overs which we obviously not agreeing to...